It could be seen in the media throughout the region: Bosnia seems to be in the deepest crisis since the end of the war in 1995. President Nikola Spiric has resigned, and the entities seemingly cannot come to any conclusion regarding a constitutional standoff.
Belgrade radio station B92 ran an interview with High Representative Miroslav Lajčák:
High Representative Miroslav Lajčák, speaking excellent Serbian,
told a B92 journalist via video link from Sarajevo that the
deep political crisis currently shaking Bosnia has been "artificially
created".
B92: As you know, the latest measures introduced by
the High International Representative to Bosnia-Herzegovina have caused
great political tension, especially in the Republic of Srpska. The
chairman of the Council of Ministers, Nikola Špirić, has resigned,
while tensions are also high on the High Representative – Serbian
Government front. High Representative Miroslav Lajčák is speaking for
B92 TV's Poligraf. Mr. Lajčák, good afternoon, thank you for
your time, I hope the satellite links will be good since the political
ones aren't so great between Sarajevo and Belgrade.
Lajčák: Good afternoon, Belgrade, I hope so too.
B92:
Before we look at the essence of the measures you have introduced, I
would first like to ask for your comment on the resignation tendered by
Mr. Špirić, does the government exist at this point, can this move
jeopardize the existence of the ruling coalition?
Lajčák: Mr.
Špirić's decision to resign is within his rights, [it's] his personal
decision. I think that at this moment, in this situation, this is not
good for the country, and I'm not sure there is reason for it, but I
respect his decision. However, I think it is necessary for the
institutions to function, and it that sense for further political
activity to continue. I would also like to stress that there is no
reason for panic, since the government continues to function in its
technical mandate, and continues to do its work.
B92:
The government continues with its work as you say, but the global
media, I won't even mention the
media in Serbia, such as The
Independent, speak about the deepest political crisis in Bosnia since
the end of the war in 1995.
Lajčák: You know
what – if there is a crisis then it's artificial. You said that the
crisis was caused by my measures, and I disagree with that. The crisis
was caused by inordinate reaction to my measures, and by some reactions
from Belgrade, which have certainly not been helpful. I would like to
remind you that these measures are completely in line with my mandate,
completely in line with this country's constitution, completely in line
with the Dayton agreement, and that this is not only my opinion, but
also that confirmed by all Peace Implementation Council member states,
which, as you know, met on the political directors level this Tuesday,
or Wednesday in Sarajevo.
Precisely this is one of the
important conclusions, that my measures, from the legal point of view,
are absolutely legitimate, in line with my mandate and the
constitution. Therefore, I would like to ask for a more careful
approach by anyone who wishes to speak about their position, since they
need to consider the facts, and not what they wish to there to be.
B92: You
said, all countries, I believe Russia is not in agreement over what you
just talked about. But let's just mention this, you have in effect
changed the constitution of Bosnia-Herzegovina, which is what caused
this avalanche of reactions, you changed the quorum rule and the
decision-making process, you have introduced a simple majority for
adopting decisions, which no longer requires agreement from at least
two representatives from each of the three nations, now one vote is
sufficient, while a quorum is present whenever the majority of
ministers is present. In Serbia, and in the Republic of Srpska, and
President Boris Tadić spoke about this yesterday, for the principles to
change, according to the Dayton agreement, all three nations in Bosnia
need to reach consensus first.
Lajčák: Well, it's quite a bit shocking, the amount of factual errors in your position…
B92: I only relayed what the positions are.
Lajčák:
Well, then, the positions you are relaying are wrong. Firstly, Russia
also agreed that my decisions are in line with my mandate, in line with
this country's constitution and the Dayton agreement. Russia views this
in a different way in a political context, and it expressed this, but
not in a legal sense, which is a very important fact for all those who
wish to accuse me of breaching the constitution.
Secondly, it
is not true that I changed the constitution. I am not a cowboy, I am
not an irresponsible man. I am full and well aware of the fact that one
of the key principles for Bosnia-Herzegovina to exist is the protection
of the interests of the entities, and protection of vital national
interests of each of the three constitutive peoples, and no one could
ever force me to change that, because that would then really mean a
destruction of the system.
I have changed the rules on the
manner of operating, because right now, you may or may not believe
this, but right now, you vote against by not showing up at a session.
And this is bad. You should attend and vote against. But, there isn’t
any way to have any of the constitutive peoples outvoted, if they take
part in the work, and not only if they take part in the work.
Therefore, it would be a good idea, before positions on this are made
known to the public, to read what I have said, for my partners to
acquaint themselves with legal interpretation of all this. Once again,
I must categorically reject any claim that I have changed the
constitution, because I did not.
I have changed the rules of
procedure. The only goal is to have these institutions function better,
for them to have less room for obstruction, for ministers and MPs to
arrive to work, because today they vote against by not showing up for
work. No one, except those who do not care about Bosnian institutions'
functioning, can have a problem with that. And another thing: all three
peoples in Bosnia-Herzegovina are equally sensitive about protecting
their national interests, this is normal. If it were true that I had
changed the constitutional principle of protection, then not only
Serbs, but Bosniaks and Croats too, would have huge problems with that.
And they don't. Because they did not misinterpret my decisions. Once
again-
B92: Maybe that is just a matter of tactics, you know. Maybe they let the Serbs do the job for them? Can we interpret it that way?
Lajčák:
We cannot interpret it that way. There is no tactics involved with
constitutional protection of vital national interests. Let's get
serious.
B92: In other words, you believe
that you have not opened the door to possible outvoting, as many in RS
think, as Belgrade thinks? Outvoting of the Serb people?
Lajčák:
There is not a single way for the representatives of the Serb nation to
be outvoted, my legal experts are already involved in talks with the
Republic of Srpska representatives, precisely with the goal of
demonstrating that there is not a single reason for anyone to be afraid
that any nation, including the Serb nation, could be outvoted. Once
again, I will repeat, I am not a trivial man, I am not a cowboy, to
change constitutional principles that Bosnia is built on, and no one
can seriously think that I would do such a thing.
B92:
Mr. Lajčák, the British ambassador in Serbia has, on behalf of five
countries, sent a demarche to the Serbian Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
you yourself have angrily commented on the prime minister [Koštunica]
statements. How come the international community does not react when,
for instance, the Croatian president calls for a revision of Dayton?
Lajčák:
You know what, it is up to me to do my job, which is currently that of
the high representative to Bosnia-Herzegovina. I have said that I have
respect both for the mandate and responsibility of the Republic of
Serbia premier, and I have a personal feeling of respect for Mr.
Vojislav Koštunica. I don’t thinks it's unfair to ask the same in
return. I think that internationalization of these sensitive issues is
certainly, certainly counterproductive, something no one needs. If
anyone has any questions, we will not regret spending time and energy
to clarify everything.
B92: But, the Serbian
prime minister, political parties in Serbia, and Serbia, are entitled
to comment on events in Bosnia-Herzegovina, according to the Dayton
agreement, Serbia has special relations with the Republic of Srpska,
and after all, Serbia is one of the guarantors of peace in Bosnia?
Lajčák: You
know what I miss in these statements? Precisely the phrase,
Bosnia-Herzegovina. They always talk about the Republic of Srpska,
which is a legitimate entity within Bosnia-Herzegovina, but it would be
much, much more useful if those statements that come from Belgrade
accepted the fact that the Republic of Srpska is a part of a state
called Bosnia-Herzegovina.
B92: You have
spent a lot of time in Belgrade, in Serbia, you know most of the
politicians here. Do you really believe that someone in Belgrade wishes
to separate the Republic of Srpska from Bosnia and annex it to Serbia,
after the experience of war and the horrors that we had in the past 15
years?
Lajčák: I do not think that, and
that's why I find it strange to hear these odd statements coming out,
it would be much better if there were productive and useful statements
instead. And let me ask you something back, because I have spent a lot
of time in Serbia, people there know me: do you really believe that
anyone in Serbia could seriously think of me as an enemy of Serbia, the
Republic of Srpska and the Serbian people?
B92:
No. But many wonder, actually, many know that you are not there as a
private person, you are there on behalf of the international community,
which, in a way, really brings the Serbs into a kind of frustration,
what must be well known to you. The international community and the
U.S. on the one hand propose a partition of Serbia and independence for
Kosovo, while on the other they insist on Bosnia as a unitary state?
That, you know, is a frustration that everyone must take into account.
Lajčák:
I am aware of these frustrations, they are huge, and they are for the
most part justified, I understand that. You're right, I do not make my
decisions as a private person, I am a representative of the
international community, and each move is a result of intensive
consultations with the international community.
However: I
have my personal honor and dignity. No one could ever force me to make
any move that is detrimental to this country, or any of the three
constitutive peoples. You can be sure about that, and you can lean on
me, that there is no such force that could make me do what I disagree
with. My mission that I truly believe in, is to help Bosnia-Herzegovina
to function as a state, respecting the constitutional basis, respecting
the fact there are two entities and three peoples, and do all I can to
have this country join the process of European integrations.
B92:
Mr. Lajčák, you have always maintained that Bosnia, Kosovo, and
Serbia's EU future are not
mutually connected issues. Now, it's
extremely hard to say that these three are not connected, since you
made your decisions ahead of the solving of the Kosovo problem. Let me
be even more blunt and direct, many circles in Serbia see your moves as
preventive, to remove any idea that the Republic of Srpska might be
taken out of Bosnia to join Serbia?
Lajčák:
I am of course aware that conspiracy theories are very popular in this
part of the world, and it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. I can
personally assure you, and you can, if you like, believe me, that
Kosovo has never even crossed my mind. I was thinking about timeframes,
we don’t have time to waste if Bosnia-Herzegovina is to become
functional, and this has no regional context.
Kosovo is a
problem apart, that has its own mechanisms and instruments, Bosnia is a
country that has its own challenges. My mandate and responsibility is
to help it function better,” the high representative stated. In that
sense, I must categorically reject all those paranoid suspicions that
this is part of some wider international conspiracy. I certainly would
not be part of any regional conspiracy, not against anyone.
B92: Are
you considering sacking officials in the Republic of Srpska, or do you
see a way to have your measures enforced, while the Republic of Srpska,
despite your claims that you did not change the constitution, receives
clearer and firmer guarantees that its sovereign presence in the
Bosnian institutions will be present, in other words, that it will not
be outvoted when it comes to the most important topics?
Lajčák:
I do not wish to think about dismissals, what I am thinking about is
overcoming this situation, removing all misunderstandings and
misgivings. We are working toward this goal. On Wednesday, my legal
experts and those from the Republic of Srpska met, on Monday that
process will continue. Each time, the space for misinterpretation
narrows.
I don't want anyone to lose or win, I want to dispel
all doubts, I want it to be absolutely clear is that my measures are
good for the Bosnian citizens, therefore also the citizens of the
Republic of Srpska. Another thing I wish for very much, is to once
again return to the subject of Europe. I believe that the Mostar
Declaration is a good step forward, while we need to continue with more
concrete steps, and this is what I will fight for.
B92: Miroslav Lajčák, High Representative to Bosnia-Herzegovina. Thank you for the time you dedicated to B92 TV viewers.
Lajčák: Thank you.